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A Review of Bhante Vimalaramsi Teaching

by Jhanananda

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 07:24:34 -0700, Coconino National Forest, AZ

Hello friends, while it is a wonderful shift in the Theravadan priesthood for them to begin speaking about the experience of meditative absorption (jhana/samadhi), unfortunately this new dialog is so new that it is mostly revealing how ignorant the Buddhist priesthood is of the experience of meditative absorption.  Considering that my work has been actively boycotted and filibustered by the Theravadan priesthood and the level of nonsense that is being taught in reference to meditative absorption, we can conclude the priesthood knows almost nothing about the experience, which would imply few of them meditate and of those who do too few of them have discovered how to meditate properly.

If we wish to understand the experience of meditative absorption (jhana/samadhi) we must be willing to compare our meditation experience to how they are being expressed and exercise some logic and critical thinking or otherwise we are likely to be misdirected.  The following essay is in response to a letter and an interview that Bhante Vimalaramsi sent me because he believes I am misdirected.

From: GWV2 <gwv2@greatwesternvehicle.org>

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 07:24:34 -0700

To: <bhante_vimalaramsi@dhammasukha.org>

Conversation: Validating the contemplative experience

Subject: Re: Validating the contemplative experience

Hello Bhante V, many apologies for the oversight, you should not receive any more postings from the GWV after this. I had thought I had already removed your email address from that listserve, but it will be shortly.

I am happy for you that you got an interview. Perhaps you can find it in your heart to be happy for me as well. Finding joy and happiness in the successes of others is Mudita, which is one of the four Brahma Viharas. By the way, who was the interviewer? What was it for?  Where was it given?

I was very happy to read in your interview that you said the Buddha's "first and most important discovery was that of finding exactly how the process of Dependent Origination" works. Too often misguided Buddhist teachers claim he invented vipassana, which is of course nonsense, as you may know. I think the Buddha offered a number of innovations to the Vedic system that he was inspired by. Perhaps you will agree with me one of those was rediscovering the importance of the lower 4 stages of meditative absorption, which he called "jhana."  I believe this was his essential discovery, because immediately upon its discovery he claims he has found the path to enlightenment (MN 36).

From the Buddha's Night of enlightenment
Mahaasaccaka sutta (MN 36)
"It occurred to me: Doing these difficult exertions (his earlier ascetic practices), I will not attain, any noble distinctive knowledge and vision above human. There should be some other method for the realization of enlightenment. Then Aggivessana, I recalled the experience under the shade of the rose apple tree near my father's field: Secluded from sensory stimuli and secluded from unwholesome thoughts, with applied and sustained attention (vitakka and vic‡ra) and with joy (sukha) and pleasure (piiti) originating from seclusion, I attained to the first jhana. Then the awareness arose this is the path to enlightenment. I thought, why should I fear this pleasantness, which is other than sensual pleasure and away from unwholesome thoughts."

However, his connection to mind and body (nama-rupa) was most probably Vedic, because the concept of Nam-rupa appears in the Vedas, which predate the Buddha by at least a millennium. However, I will agree with you, he seemed to have a definite idea that torturing either the mind (nama) or the body (rupa) would not lead to meditative absorption (samadhi), which is as you said is the middle-way of the Buddha, which is another one of his innovations.

It was great to read that you are finally getting away from using "concentration" for a translation for samadhi, and using "ecstatic" and "absorption" instead. However, your insistence upon the use of "collectedness" does not seem to add to an understanding of meditative absorption, but only to confusion. Do keep re-examining each of those translated terms, because I am sure you will see the translators screwed up in a lot of places in their translation of the suttas, because most of them were not contemplatives, as you and I are, thus they would not understand the nuances of meditative absorption. You might try reading Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross, they also described meditative absorption states, much like the Buddha, thus by reading them you can get a broader perspective on meditative absorption as it is described in the various European languages.

I agree with you when you said, "we need to cultivate more joy and ease, in our practice," which is of course the piiti and sukha of jhana. The Stoic and dry Insight, and Zen communities just do not get this.

I agree with you also when you say, "We need to realize that joy is one of the Enlightenment Factors and it is necessary for the meditator to experience it. When joy is in one's mind and body, mind becomes very light, extremely observant, and agile. It becomes easy to notice when joy disappears and a heavy mental state arises, so the meditator's mindfulness sharpens when joy is present."

You quoted ""The Mahasalayatanika Sutta ", # 149, in the Middle Length Sayings, in section 10 it says: "These two things - serenity and insight - occur in him evenly yoked together".

Yes, I agree with this quote, however, I do not believe at any time the Buddha was claiming they were separate practices (magga), one called "vipassana" and one called "shamata." Shamata and vipassana are just two fruits of the contemplative life. Please see DN 2. A single sutta quote, when taken out of the context of the body of the Sutta Pitaka can all too easily be used to support an erroneous conclusion especially when translator bias is at work.

By the way, insight (vipassana) is not just seeing characteristics, it is an intuitive understanding of the dhamma, which includes the three characteristics and many, many other things.

Also, liberation is not a function of deductive reasoning of Dependent Origination or anything else. Did you forget jhana and samadhi? Is that a product of deductive reasoning? I have not found it to be so. Seeing things as they are, is not a product of deductive reasoning either it is a product of intuitive understanding of the dhamma which is a product of absorption, not deductive reasoning.

By the way, you may wish to question the validity of Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation abilities, after all he does not meditate. If he does not meditate, how is he going to understand the subtle nuances of the dhamma? He isn't. You might enjoy reading the following interview with him, where he reveals that meditation gives him a headache.  He obviously has not found bliss (piiti) and joy (sukha), which means he has no jhana.

"Climbing to the Top of the Mountain: An interview with Bhikkhu Bodhi"

I am rather curious where in the suttas it says the Buddha was taught the following by Udaka Ramaputa and Alara Kalama, as you claim "The way he was told to practice was by putting a very strong focus on the breath and anytime mind's attention was distracted by thoughts or sensations in the body, his instructions were to let go of the distraction and immediately go back to the breath." I certainly have not seen this, so my guess is this is your interpretation. You might want to re-read the Mahaasaccaka sutta (MN 36)

Mahaasaccaka sutta (MN 36)
"Aggivessana, before my enlightenment, when I was not enlightened, yet a seeker of enlightenment ... I shaved head and beard, donned yellow robes leaving the household life became homeless. I becoming a seeker of good and a seeker of the incomparable peaceful state.
I approached Aalaara Kaalaama and said: "Venerable one, I want to lead the holy life in this dispensation."
Aalaara Kaalaama said, "Come friend, the wise before long realize this teaching and abide like the teacher.
"Aggivessana, I quickly learned that Teaching to acknowledge I know and see by uttering and reciting as the elders did. Then it occurred to me merely with this faith Aalaara Kaalaama would not acknowledge, I know and realized this Teaching. Indeed he abides knowing and seeing this teaching.
Then I approached Aalaara Kaalaama and asked him. "Venerable one, how do you abide knowing and realizing this teaching?"
Aalaara Kaalaama declared the sphere of nothingness. Then it occurred to me, it is not only Aalaara Kaalaama who has faith, effort, mindfulness, absorption, and wisdom. I too have faith, effort, mindfulness, absorption and wisdom. I will arouse effort to realize this Teaching realized by him.
Before long I realized that Teaching. Then I approached Aalaara Kaalaama and asked: "Venerable one, is it this much, the teaching you have realized?"
Aalaara Kaalaama said, "Friend, it is this much only, the teaching that I have realized, declare and abide in."
Then I said, "I too have realized this much and abide in it."
Aalaara Kaalaama said, "Venerable one, it is rare gain for us to meet co-associates like you in the holy life. That the Teaching I have realized, you too have realized. So that, whatever Teaching, I know, that, you too know. Now the two of us are on equal grounds. Let us together guide this following."
"Aggivessana, it was in this manner that my teacher Aalaara Kaalaama honored me, his pupil, giving me equal status. Then it occurred to me: This teaching does not lead to giving up, detachment, cessation, appeasement, knowledge enlightenment and extinction. It leads up to the sphere of nothingness only. Not satisfied I turned away from it.
"Becoming a seeker of good, and in search of the incomparable peaceful state I approached Uddaka Raamaputta and said. "Venerable one, I want to lead the holy life in this dispensation."
Uddaka Raamaputta said "Come friend, wise ones, before long realize this teaching and abide like the teacher."
"Aggivessana, I quickly learned that teaching to acknowledge, I know and see to utter and recite as the elders did. Then it occurred to me. Merely with this faith, Uddaka Raamaputta would not acknowledge I know and have realized this Teaching. Indeed he abides knowing and seeing this Teaching.
Then I approached Uddaka Raamaputta and asked him. "Venerable one, how do you know and realize this teaching?"
Uddaka Raamaputta declared the sphere of neither perception-nor non-perception. Aggivesssana, then it occurred to me. It is not only Uddaka Raamaputta who has faith, effort, mindfulness, absorption, and wisdom. I too have faith, effort, mindfulness, absorption and wisdom. What if I put forth effort to realize this? Before long I realized that teaching.
Then I approached Uddaka Raamaputta and asked him. "Venerable one, is it this much, the Teaching, you have realized?"
Uddaka Raamaputta said, "Friend, it is this Teaching that I have realized, declare and abide in."
Then I said, "I too have realized this much and abide in it."
Uddaka Raamaputta said, "Venerable one, it is rare gain for us to meet co-associates like you in the holy life. The teaching I have realized, you too have realized. So that Teaching I know, you too know. Now the two of us are on equal grounds. Come friend, you guide this following."
Thus Uddaka Raamaputta my co-associate put me in the place of his teacher. Then it occurred to me. This Teaching does not lead to giving up, detachment, cessation, appeasement, knowledge enlightenment and extinction. It leads up to the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception only. Not satisfied I turned away from it."

You said: "Practicing "absorption or ecstatic concentration" can cause some physical and mental problems such as headaches, ringing in the ear, vertigo, stomach disorders, mental imbalances - like extremely critical mind, instant anger, depression and unwholesome pride, etc."

The above is also interesting. Where did the Buddha say anything to support your claims? This has not been my experience.  I would say people who develop unpleasant side effects from the practice of meditation, such as headaches (like Bhikkhu Bodhi) or stomach disorders and mental imbalances, then we can conclude they have obviously not found meditative absorption (jhana), because the Buddha claimed that meditative absorption was both a product of skillful meditation practice and the relinquishment of the hindrances and the fetters (DN-22). If the hindrances and the fetters are not active in one who has found meditative absorption (jhana/samadhi) then it stands to reason that they would not likely have them when they are not in meditative absorption (jhana/samadhi).

However, from 33 years of daily meditation practice that produced meditative absorption (jhana/samadhi) I have found that there are a number of characteristics of meditative absorption, such as charismatic hearing and euphoria, which I have all of the time. You might find of use to you reading the DN 2, MN 119 and the Satipatthanasamyutta SN 8 (8) The Competent Cook.

Satipatthanasamyutta SN 8 (8) The Competent Cook
"Suppose, monks, a wise, competent (and) skillful cook were to present a king or royal minister with various kinds of curries...that wise...cook observes the sign of his master's preferences."
"So too, monks, here some wise, competent, skillful monk dwells contemplating the physical body, ardent, clearly comprehending, mindful, having removed covetousness and displeasure in regard to the world. While he (or she) dwells contemplating the physical body, his (her) mind becomes absorbed (jhana), his (her) corruptions (nivarana) are abandoned, he (she) picks up the sign (nimitta). He (she) dwells contemplating the (5 Skhandas) body (rupa)... sensations (vedana)... perception (sa––a)... mental projections (sa–khara)... objects of the mind (vi––ana)... ardent, clearly comprehending, mindful, having removed covetousness and displeasure in regard to the world. While he dwells contemplating phenomena, his (her) mind becomes absorbed (jhana), his (her) corruptions (nivarana) are abandoned he (she) picks up the sign (nimitta)" of absorption (jhana) (2).

If you reject the phenomena of meditative absorption (jhana-nimitta), then it appears you do not embrace the attainment of the third jhana, which is where I have found they occur. So, you only embrace the first and second jhana? If you wish to understand more about phenomena of meditative absorption, or Jhana-Nimitta as the Buddha called it, then please do read this essay:

The characteristic manifestations of absorption, Jhana-Nimitta (October 1, 2004)

Charismatic hearing was a common experience for many mystics.  The Buddha called Charismatic hearing "dibba-sota."  If you examine the quotes below you will see that both Teresa of Avila and Rumi apparently had the phenomena as well:

The Interior Castle, St. Teresa of Avila,
Pg 93) "As I write this, by the way, I can't help but wonder what's going on inside my own head.  Those noises I told you about in the beginning are getting so loud that it's almost impossible for me to obey the order to write this. It sounds like there are a multitude of rushing rivers inside my head, their waters cascading downward, surrounded by many little birds and other whistling sounds.  This is all unfolding not in the ears but the upper part of the head, where they say the higher part of the soul resides.  I have spent long periods in these regions.  The spirit seems to push its way upward with great power and speed...all of this turmoil doe not hinder my prayer or interfere with what I am trying to say.  Instead, my soul is whole within its quietude, its love, its longing, and its clarity of consciousness."
translation and introduction by Mirabai Star. Riverhead Books, Published by the Berkley Publishing Group a division of Penguin Group USA Inc. 375 Hudson Street, New York NY 10014, 2003
Rumi, the Illustrated Rumi, translated by Colman Barks
"There is a strange frenzy in my head, each particle circulating on its own.  Is the one I love everywhere."

I would, however, agree that "headaches, stomach disorders, mental imbalances - like extremely critical mind, instant anger, depression and unwholesome pride." are not a product of meditative absorption (jhana/samadhi), however, they can be a product of the dark night of the soul, which must be negotiated to go deeper than the second jhana. This is a further indication that you most probably have not made it beyond the second jhana. Do keep up your personal work and regular meditation practice. You might find John of the Cross better at describing the Dark Night of the soul than the Buddha.

Dark Night of the Soul, John of the Cross (pg 61 p 2).
"The first purgation of the night is bitter and terrible to sense...for it is horrible and awful..."
Dark Night of the Soul, by St. John of the Cross (1542-1591) translated by E. Allison Peers, Image Books, Garden City, New York, 3rd addition, 1959

(The Buddha's Dark Night of the Soul)

Mahaasaccaka sutta (MN 36)
Aggivessana, then it occurred to me, what if I practiced stopping the in-breaths and the out-breaths?... air entering through the ears made much noise. It was like the sound that came from the bellows of the smithy... a lot of air disturbed the top of my head. Like a strong man was carving the top of my head with a sharp blade... I felt a lot of pain in the head...Like a strong man giving a head wrap with a strong turban... I felt a lot of pain in the stomach. As though a clever butcher or his apprentice was carving the stomach with a butcher's knife... I felt a lot of burning in the body. Like a strong man taking a weaker one, by his hands and feet was burning and scorching him in a pit of burning charcoal... My effort was aroused repeatedly, unconfused mindfulness established, the body was not appeased owing to the difficult exertion. Aggivessana, even then these arisen unpleasant feelings did not take hold of my mind and settle.

I think you should go back and re-read the suttas, because you are quite incorrect when you say, "The Bodhisatta was not satisfied with these states (the Formless absorptions) and totally rejected them!" Try looking at DN 2, and MN 25, 36 and 119 again. He did not reject any of the 8 stages of samadhi. I believe he was clearly making an argument that ALL of the stages of samadhi were important, not just one or two stages as apparently Uddhakka Ramaputta and Alara Kalama were proposing.

Jhana Sutta (AN XI.36)
"I tell you, the ending of mental agitation depends upon the first meditative absorption (jhana)..." (through 8th samadhi)
Translated by Geoffrey DeGraff (Thanissaro Bhikkhu), Access to insight

Sorry Bhante V you are too full of it when you say, "The Buddha taught "Samatha/Vipassana" which has a very different end-result than the moment-to-moment, access, absorption, ecstatic, or extreme one-pointed "jhana" " Please try to find canonical support for your wild claims.  The Buddha never used the term "upacara-samadhi" which means "access, absorption.'  He also never used the terminology of "Samatha/Vipassana." Nor, did he speak of "extreme one-pointed jhana."

You said "But the Buddha made up a new word "Samadhi."" Sorry, the Buddha did NOT make up the word "samadhi" It is of Vedic Origin. However, he may have invented other terms, like "jhana."

Then you say "Any kind of practice which divides "Samatha Meditation" and "Vipassana Meditation" into two different practices, can't possibly lead one to Nibbana. " Well I agree with you here, but then it seems you are contradicting yourself. Or, maybe you are still confusing practice (magga) with attainment (phala). It is a common error, because the Buddha simply never used the idea of two practice strategies, one called "Vipassana' and another one called "Samatha.'

Dispelling Common Misconceptions Regarding Insight (vipassana) and Absorption (Jhana/dhyana)

In summary it is always good to know that someone, such as yourself, is teaching a jhana oriented Buddhist philosophy and contemplative practice strategy. So, I am very happy that you are teaching. It is also good to hear that you are emphasizing relaxation, because I would agree it is one of the core skills to develop for one who wants jhana. It is good to hear that you are teaching Dependent Origination, because so few Buddhist priests and lay teachers seem to understand it. It is great to read that you are finally getting away from using "concentration" as a definition for "jhana' or "samadhi;' however, your insistence upon the use of the term "Collectedness" does not seem to add to an understanding of meditative absorption.

I agree with you we need to cultivate more joy and ease, in our meditations, which is of course the piiti and sukha of jhana, and are one of the Enlightenment Factors. It is also excellent to hear that you teach from the Buddha's discourses, however, you do not seem to refer to the Digha Nikaya (Long Discourses). Is this just an anomaly of the interview, or do you reject the long discourses of the Buddha? It would seem odd if you do, because they are where most of the Buddha's ideas are fully fleshed-out. It is also nice to hear that you do not separate vipassana from shamatha, however it seems you may believe erroneously that they are separate practices strategies (magga) when they are attainments (phala). Do see (DN 2).

Thus one would think that since I too teach a jhana oriented Buddhist philosophy and contemplative practice strategy, I also teach a methodology that emphasizes relaxation, I also teach the unity of insight and absorption, and, like you, I also teach from the sutta Pitaka- that we would thus be friends or at least respectful toward each other's work. However, I do not get that you respect my work. Why is that?

You, however, make some pretty wild and unsupportable claims. Such as: "Practicing "absorption or ecstatic concentration" can cause some physical and mental problems.  There is no canonical support for this, nor is there any evidence in the present.  The problems with meditation are typically caused by erroneous practice methods, which are almost always self-abusive. You seem to reject the phenomena of meditative absorption.  The Buddha on the other hand called it "jhana-nimitta" and suggested to his students to observe it.  You also reject the formless states of absorption however the Buddha did not.  You seem to be claiming that the Buddha taught a particular brand of shamatha that you called "Samatha/Vipassana."  I have heard this nonsense before from other priests of Buddhism, however, this simply is not in the suttas.  You also used the term "access, absorption."  The Buddha never used this term either.  I believe it is a product of priestly appropriation, subversion, obfuscation and mystification of the dhamma.

I understand it is quite a challenge to digest the Sutta Pitaka, then present it in one's own words, and be able to supply canonical support for one's interpretation of the suttas. Especially when the orthodoxy of the three vehicles of Buddhism have so utterly and completely appropriated, subverted, obfuscated and mystified the dhamma. So, do keep working at it. And, I would highly recommend that you also read the Long Discourses of the Buddha (Digha Nikaya) and also maybe branch into other translations of the Sutta Pitaka so that you are not too fixated upon a single interpretation of the suttas by one translator who did not even meditate, which you appear to be.

Thanks for the interview it sounds like you are making progress, Do keep up the good work.

Nivapa Sutta MN 25.12
12 "And where is it that Mara (ego) and his following cannot go? Here, secluded from sensory stimuli, secluded from unwholesome mental states, a contemplative enter upon and abides in the first meditative absorption (jhana)"... (through 9th samadhi)...One's taints are destroyed by seeing with wisdom. This contemplative is said to have blindfolded Mara, to have become invisible to the Evil One by depriving Mara's eye of its opportunity, and to have crossed beyond attachment to the world."
(Majjhima Nikaya trans. Bhikkhus Nanamoli & Bodhi, Wisdom, 1995)

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Sources:

Mahaasaccaka sutta (MN 36)

"Climbing to the Top of the Mountain: An interview with Bhikkhu Bodhi"

Satipatthanasamyutta SN 8 (8) The Competent Cook

The characteristic manifestations of absorption, Jhana-Nimitta (October 1, 2004)

The Interior Castle, St. Teresa of Avila,

translation and introduction by Mirabai Star. Riverhead Books, Published by the Berkley Publishing Group a division of Penguin Group USA Inc. 375 Hudson Street, New York NY 10014, 2003

Rumi, the Illustrated Rumi, translated by Colman Barks

Dark Night of the Soul, John of the Cross (pg 61 p 2).

Dark Night of the Soul, by St. John of the Cross (1542-1591) translated by E. Allison Peers, Image Books, Garden City, New York, 3rd addition, 1959

Jhana Sutta (AN XI.36)

Dispelling Common Misconceptions Regarding Insight (vipassana) and Absorption (Jhana/dhyana)

Nivapa Sutta MN 25.12

(Majjhima Nikaya trans. Bhikkhus Nanamoli & Bodhi, Wisdom, 1995)

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The following interview was sent to me by Bhante Vimalaramsi on the following date.  It came with no courses,.

on 6/30/06 7:20 AM, Bhante Vimalaramsi at bhante_vimalaramsi@yahoo.com wrote:

Dhamma Greetings,

Please send this to Jeff, so he will have some real Buddhist perspective on what meditation is supposed to be according to the Buddha. Thank you.

Metta

Bhante Vimalaramsi

PS I have asked Jeff to take me off of your mailing list and apparently he has not done this. Please do so now. Thank you

June 19, 2006 "Reclaiming the Buddha's Words: An Opening Interview", with Venerable Bhante Vimalaramsi, Annapolis, Missouri, Ozark Mountains. Jeta's Grove & Dhamma Sukha Meditation Center.

Interviewer: What was the main discovery the Buddha made that was different from other teachings at that time?

Bhante V: Well, the first and most important discovery was that of finding exactly how the process of Dependent Origination occurs, through seeing, using, realizing and understanding the 4 Noble Truths and how they work. This is the "Middle Way" which is by far the most important discovery that the Buddha made. Another insight that he had was that there is a definite connection between both mind and body. Because most people would agree with this today, this sounds a bit odd. Though during the time of the Buddha, it was a common practice to torture one's body and just focus on mental development. This practice and the meditation that went along with it tried to ignore the body and the feelings that arose when mind became extremely absorbed and one-pointed.

Even today there are many practices that lead one to deep absorption or ecstatic states. This is where there are only mental states and the body no longer has any feelings arising in it while in a Jhana. In sutta number 111, "The Anupada Sutta" of the Majjhima Nikaya, there is the description of Venerable Sariputta's meditation experience. In this sutta it tells how the five aggregates (that is body [contact], feeling, perception, volitional formations and consciousness) were present while he was in each of the jhanas. This implies that there is a very strong connection between mind and body even while one is in a "jhana" (this Pali word means a meditation stage of understanding).

Interviewer: As a teacher, what are your main sources for teaching the Dhamma?

Bhante V: My main sources for teaching come from the Suttas and the Books of Discipline (Vinaya) which brings me to a point that many people misunderstand (especially in the West). The Vinaya is usually thought to be only the "Rules of Discipline" for the monks, but actually there is a great deal of wisdom and practical advice one can gain by reading the suttas in the Vinaya. When I give Dhamma talks I read a Sutta and explain how it is relevant to one's daily meditation practice. I mainly use the Majjhima Nikaya, the Samyutta Nikaya (the Bhikkhu Bodhi Translations from Wisdom Publications) and occasionally take some Suttas from the Vinaya. If you want to get a sample of a Dhamma talk go to our website at www.dhammasukha.org/Study/resources.htm#talk <http://www.dhammasukha.org/Study/resources.htm> .

The main thrust of the way I teach is to inspire meditators to have their own direct experience of what the Suttas and Vinaya are teaching us. I closely follow the instructions given in "The Anapanasati Sutta " # 118 in the Majjhima Nikaya. Basically, these instructions tell us to tranquilize or relax our mind and body on both the in-breath and the out-breath. This tranquilizing or relaxing of subtle tightnesses or tensions in both mind and body is the secret to the Buddha's teachings. It seems that this is ignored and/or not practiced today, or it is not understood that one needs to consciously relax on both the in and out breath. This "relaxing or tranquilizing" does not happen automatically, it takes sharp observation and effort to relax on both the in-breath and the out-breath, to do this meditation in the way that the Buddha shows us!

Interviewer: Why are so many people having trouble achieving full liberation from the taints and fetters, through meditation today?

Bhante V: One of the main reasons is the way Buddhism is being presented to Westerners by the Eastern teachers. In the East, the average person is around Buddhist monks all of the time and they think they have lots of time to become "awakened". Plus they are very light and "happy-go-lucky", they love to indulge in food, sleep and other sensual pleasures; so when they go to learn about meditation at the monasteries or temples the teachers are rather severe and harsh. These teachers have to push them very hard to get serious about the practice. When a Westerner goes to an Asian teacher they are taught in the same way.

The problem is, that Westerners, generally speaking are already too serious and very goal oriented. Westerners by nature are very hard workers and they are willing to put huge amounts of effort into attaining their goals. So when the Asian teacher begins to push the Westerner and tries to make them work harder, the Westerners really go for it, with too much energy.

A person might, for example, go to Myanmar for a 3 month retreat and cut down on their intake of food (and sleep) too much and lose lots of weight (some think that this is good, but when they get home the weight comes back), as a result their energy goes down and then they try to push and work even harder. What Westerners need is not to put more energy into their practice, but less. The Buddha's Teaching is about developing a balanced way of doing things, and because we are such a goal oriented society we need to cultivate more joy and ease, in our practice.

The Eastern teachers tell the meditators to "not be attached" when joy arises, because it comes up so easily for the Eastern mind. But when a Westerner is told that, they will immediately push the feeling of joy away and stop it from arising. We need to realize that joy is one of the Enlightenment Factors and it is necessary for the meditator to experience it. When joy is in one's mind and body, mind becomes very light, extremely observant, and agile. It becomes easy to notice when joy disappears and a heavy mental state arises, so the meditator's mindfulness sharpens when joy is present.

Another thing that slows down one's progress is, here in the West, there are just too many different things that the meditator does in the name of seeking enlightenment. By this I mean I have seen - "Yoga-Buddhism", "Psychotherapy-Buddhism", "Christian-Buddhism", "Theravada Buddhism", "Tai Chi-Buddhism", "Hindu-Buddhism", "Bon-Buddhism", "Mahayana Buddhism", "Psychology-Buddhism", "New-Age Buddhism", "Tantric-Buddhism", "Commentary Buddhism" and a whole variety of other types of practices that are being promoted in the name of "Buddhism". There are too many other traditions that are being mixed in with the Buddha's Teaching and, as a result, no one is actually practicing Buddhism, the way that the Buddha taught us.

When anyone wants to mix one practice with another discipline, it is like trying to bake a cake without using the correct ingredients. You may wind up with something that looks like a cake, but it certainly won't taste like what you had wanted, when you started.

This is why when I start to read from the suttas it comes as such a surprise to people who have been practicing meditation for years and years. It sounds so foreign to them! Also, all of these years of practice are thought to have been a waste of time, but actually if the meditator lets-go of all of their other practices and information. Then just follows the Buddha's teachings that are being taught. Those years of discipline actually help the meditator to develop their meditation progress more quickly and more easily.

The key is only to do one kind of practice at a time, and to do that practice fully, see where it ends up. If it doesn't seem like it is the way for you, then choose another practice and do that one fully. If one tries to mix and match, some of this with some of that, it can turn out to be a jumbled mix and actually cause harm to some people. They can never see the real benefits of their practice and can become quite confused.

Another thing that takes place is that Dhamma talks have turned into an entertainment for meditators rather than a time to learn the deeper aspects of the practice. Some years ago I heard the term "Diluted -Dhamma". This seems to be the way that most talks are being delivered these days. The idea that one can say anything as long as it agrees with "their heart" is not necessarily following the way to liberation or the Buddha's Path. This is the very reason that I read directly from the suttas. To coin a phrase, "this is hearing it straight from the horse's mouth"! In other words, we have the Buddha's Teachings today in reasonably good shape, so let's take advantage of it and go back to the original teachings!

The Buddha's teachings are very complete in and by themselves, there is no need to add or subtract anything. And every time something is added or subtracted, it changes the actual teachings, which in turn slows down one's spiritual progress and understanding. This is why there are so few honestly successful practitioners of meditation! The whole reason is the "Diluted Dhamma" that is currently being presented as being the Buddha's Teachings. There actually is great danger in doing this with the confusion and frustrating way so many people are experiencing, today.

Another thing that has taken place over the years since the Buddha passed away is that there have been many commentaries written by monks and laymen. Some of them are good and very helpful and others are not so good, and can lead us in a direction that isn't "immediately effective" and they don't lead to final liberation "here and now". There is a very popular commentary that has been used for over 1500 years (300 generations) that separates Samatha (serenity meditation) and Vipassana (insight meditation) into two different types of meditation. If you would go to "The Mahasalayatanika Sutta ", # 149, in the Middle Length Sayings, in section 10 it says: "These two things - serenity and insight - occur in him evenly yoked together". This shows us that serenity (Samatha) and insight (Vipassana) are not separate practices to be divided up and practiced at different times.

Also, again, if you would go to sutta #111, "The Anupada Sutta" (one of my personal favorite suttas), you will see a description of Venerable Sariputta's meditation experience given by the Buddha. This sutta shows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that serenity and insight (Samatha/Vipassana) were practiced while Venerable Sariputta (who is considered today to be a "dry Arahat" meaning that he only practiced straight vipassana) was experiencing each of the material and immaterial "jhanas" (meditation stages of understanding).

Interviewer: What are the qualities and teachings that we should look for in a teacher when we are ready to practice meditation?

Bhante V: One of the most important things to look for in the teacher and his guidance is, whether that teacher understands and teaches their students Dependent Origination as seen through the eyes of the 4 Noble Truths. This is the core teaching that the Buddha spent 45 years showing us. In the Samyutta Nikaya there is one sutta that talks about this very thing. This is from The Book of Causation 82 (1) it says:

At Savatthi. "Bhikkhus, one who does not know and see as it really is, aging-and-death, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to the cessation, (this is the Four Noble Truths) should search for a teacher in order to know this is as it really is. "Bhikkhus, one who does not know and see as it really is birth ... existence ... clinging ... craving ... feeling ... contact ... the six sense bases ... mentality/ materiality ... consciousness ... volitional formations, their origin, their cessation, and the way leading to their cessation, should search for a teacher in order to know this as it really is."

This pretty much sums up what one should look for in a teacher. There is the next sutta [83 (2)] that explains How one should approach their training. It says: "Bhikkhus, one who does not know and see as it actually is, aging-and-death... birth... existence... clinging... craving... feeling... contact... the six sense bases... mentality/materiality... consciousness... volitional formations, their origin, their cessation and the way leading to their cessation, should practice the training in order to know this as it really is.

So this gives a sincere meditator, who wants to get off of this birth-death cycle, the way to truly practice meditation. Also, please notice that there is no mention of the three Characteristics of existence (that is impermanence, suffering, and the impersonal nature of all existence) in this description. Why do you suppose this is? The answer can be found in the Maha-Vagga of the Vinaya it says: "The meditator can see, one or all of the "Three Characteristics of Existence' (impermanence, suffering and the impersonal nature of all existence), without seeing Dependent Origination, but when one sees Dependent Origination directly they will always see all of the "Three Characteristics'." This is very interesting because when people practice straight Vipassana meditation, they are taught that seeing the "Three Characteristics" is the main goal of straight vipassana, as it is being taught today!

Interviewer: Exactly, how is Nibbana experienced according to the suttas and what is the genuine experience of the freedom, that the Buddha spent so much time showing us?

Bhante V: Actually this is a very important question to answer! There are so many ideas today about what this experience is and how does one develop their understanding enough to recognize Nibbana. Of course, this is accomplished through the practice of the Samatha/Vipassana meditation that has been talked about throughout this interview. My best answer to this is simple. I will give you a sutta that explains this precisely with very little commentary from me. Please excuse all of the repetition in the first part of this sutta. It is there to show just how much the 4 Noble Truths are necessary, and are being used by the sincere meditator, who has the desire to get off of the Wheel of Samsara!

In Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of the Samyutta Nikaya (published by Wisdom Publications) the Book of Causation Chapter 12 (Nidanasamyutta) Sutta number 13 (3) Named "Ascetics and Brahmans" it says: "At Savatthi. "Bhikkhus, those Ascetics or Brahmins who do not understand aging-and- death, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation; who do not understand birth, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation; who do not understand existence, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation; who do not understand clinging, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation; who do not understand craving, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation; who do not understand feeling, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation; who do not understand contact, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation; who do not understand the six sense bases, their origin, their cessation, and the way leading to their cessation; who do not understand mentality/ materiality, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to the cessation; who do not understand consciousness, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to the cessation; who do not understand volitional formations, their origin, their cessation, and the way leading to the cessation; These I do not consider to be Ascetic among Ascetics or Brahmin among Brahmins, and those venerable ones do not, by realizing for themselves with direct knowledge, in this very life enter and dwell in the goal of asceticism or the goal of brahminhood" (a quick note here, this is talking about not attaining Nibbana.)

"But, Bhikkhus, those Ascetics and Brahmins who [do] understand aging-and-death, its origin, its cessation, and the way leading to its cessation; who [do] understand birth... existence... clinging... craving... feeling... contact... the six sense bases... mentality/materiality... consciousness... volitional formations, their origin, their cessation, and the way leading to their cessation: these I [do] consider to be Ascetic among Ascetics and Brahmin among Brahmins, and these venerable ones, by realizing for themselves with direct knowledge, in this very life enter and [do] dwell in the goal of Asceticism and the goal of Brahminhood." (Another quick note, this is talking about the way to attain Nibbana)

What does all of this mean? Simply put it means that when one knows, sees, understands and realizes all of the links of Dependent Origination, by way of the deductive reasoning of the 4 Noble Truths, this is the way to truly experience the liberation from all kinds of suffering, hindrances, and fetters (Dukkha). It means that if a meditator doesn't know and see exactly how Dependent Origination arises and passes away, through the use of the 4 Noble Truths, then they will not be able to have the experience of Nibbana that the Buddha describes in the suttas themselves. We truly need to understand that everything the Buddha taught for 45 years was how to see, realize and experience what is talked about in this very sutta.

I know that this may sound very different from many teachings that are presented today. But you just experienced what the sutta explains in the whole process of gaining liberation. Did you notice how the 4 Noble Truths are explained with each of the links? I mean, did you see that each link was present (the First Noble Truth), its origin (the Second Noble Truth), its cessation (the Third Noble Truth), and the way leading to its cessation (The Fourth Noble Truth)? Do you see how these Noble Truths are ever present and by realizing them with every link, in this way how one overcomes ignorance? Do you see how these Noble Truths are used as a tool to discover the deepest meaning of the impersonal nature (anatta) of everything that rises and passes away?

Currently there are many, many different ideas as to how one experiences the ultimate goal (Nibbana). This short sutta has explained exactly what to do and how to use the 4 Noble Truths in order to experience and understand completely, how Dependent Origination occurs, without even the slightest hint of a personal self (atta) involved at all. This is really one of the deepest and most penetrating suttas that can be found, in the entire Pali Canon! It is short and very much to the point about what is expected of a true truth seeker!

I hope that everyone who reads this will begin to explore the importance of Dependent Origination and the 4 Noble Truths as they are presented here in this sutta. If anyone does investigate this, they will begin to truly appreciate just how deep and profound the Buddha's Teachings actually are! They will become more and more interested in the workings of their own mind and then this path truly becomes fun and exciting.

Interviewer: What are the two different types of "Jhana" that you talk about in your Dhamma talks from the suttas?

Bhante V: Before we start with this I think something must be said. Because these definitions may be a lot different than what the reader may be used to, they may take this to be my "own" opinion, or they can take the time to study the suttas to see if what I am talking about agrees with the actual texts. If the reader is sincere in finding out about what the Buddha actually taught, as opposed to going along with what they have previously learn from the commentaries, I invite them to investigate with an open mind what is said in the suttas.

Please don't take my word, on anything! When the sincere Buddhist takes the time and effort to look into what I am saying then they can judge for themselves whether this is true or not. This is the advice given to all Buddhists, who are sincerely interested in the Buddha's Teachings. We are told not to believe anything, until what is being said is compared with the Suttas and the Vinaya (Please notice that this does not include the Abhidhamma, which was added later, at the 3rd Buddhist Council, by the monks at that time). In that way one can see for themselves whether what is being presented is correct or not. This advice was given to Ananda, by the Buddha in the Parinibbana Sutta of the Digha Nikaya.

With that said, now let's first take a look at the word "Jhana". Today the common translation of this word describes a state of deep one-pointed concentration, ecstatic concentration or absorption concentration. Actually, this was the kind of meditation that the Bodhisatta (future Buddha) practiced when he first started searching for freedom from the birth-death cycle. He practiced this meditation with two different teachers. The first teacher showed him how to attain a very deep absorption level called the "Realm of Nothingness" and the second taught him how to attain an even deeper level of absorption called the "Realm of Neither Perception nor Non- Perception".

The way he was told to practice was by putting a very strong focus on the breath and anytime mind's attention was distracted by thoughts or sensations in the body, his instructions were to let go of the distraction and immediately go back to the breath. After doing this for a while his concentration began to deepen and the force of the concentration would suppress any hindrances when they tried to arise. This is still practiced today and is thought to be the same practice that leads to final liberation. This strong absorption concentration which suppresses the hindrances is commonly thought to be "purifying one's mind' (but this is not the kind of "purifying of mind' that the Buddha taught, the kind of "purifying one's mind' that the Buddha taught, will be talked about later. This is also shown in the Satipatthana Sutta M.N. 10, verse 36 - called Dhammanupassana or Contemplation of mind-objects).

Practicing "absorption or ecstatic concentration" can cause some physical and mental problems such as headaches, ringing in the ear, vertigo, stomach disorders, mental imbalances - like extremely critical mind, instant anger, depression and unwholesome pride, etc. It causes mind to contract and focus very deeply to the exclusion of anything else. But when the concentration weakens, as one does their daily activities, these hindrances may have the tendency to come back and even be bigger and more painful than before.

The future Buddha (Gotama Bodhisatta) asked if there was any deeper state of meditation than the realms of "Nothingness" and "Neither Perception nor Non-Perception" and was told that this was as deep as anyone could ever experience. The Bodhisatta was not satisfied with these states and totally rejected them! Why? Because he saw that the practice of "absorption concentration" or "ecstatic concentration" would never lead to the kind of experiences and understanding that could unravel the problem of getting off of the Wheel of "Samsara". He had gone as far as anyone could possibly go with that kind of meditation. Others may match what he had done, but no one could possibly go beyond that. Being a little disappointed, the ever curious Bodhisatta, went off on his own to see if he could find a different way of practicing mental development.

What the Bodhisatta discovered by himself was a different type of practice that added one extra step to the meditation and this small addition changed the entire way a "Jhana" is experienced. The definition here of "Jhana" in Buddhist terms is a "stage of meditation gained through understanding and seeing how mind actually works". This one extra step is talked about in both "The Anapanasati Sutta" and "The Satipatthana Sutta".

Without going through the whole set of instructions we can focus on the last part which says; "He trains thus: "I shall tranquilize the bodily formation on the in-breath". He trains thus: "I shall tranquilize the bodily formation on the out-breath"". When one tranquilizes their body in this way one's mind also becomes tranquil. This is a step that is clearly not being practiced by the majority of Buddhists today. As a result, there is some confusion about the different kinds of "Jhana" (meditation stages of understanding and seeing things as they truly are). The Buddha taught "Samatha/Vipassana" which has a very different end-result than the moment-to-moment, access, absorption, ecstatic, or extreme one-pointed "jhana" (meditation stage). This is one of the reasons that so many people today, who have practiced meditation for so many years, haven't reached the end-result of Nibbana. Why? Because they are actually practicing one form or another of one-pointed or ecstatic concentration, instead of the Samatha/Vipassana meditation as described above.

Interviewer: What are some of the terms used in Buddhist meditation where the present day definitions appear to be confusing one's clear understanding and progress for the meditators in the West?

Bhante V: Well actually, there are a lot of terms that have very specific definitions in Buddhist terminology and meditation that need to be defined as to their deeper meaning. These are words that everybody knows and uses but not many people can give a concise definition for them. So I will try to give a precise set of "working definitions" for commonly misunderstood words according to the way they are meant in the Buddhist texts.

When I question some people about the word "Meditation" (Bhavana), for example, I seem to get a very vague and confusing definition. Like "being one with the universe". What in the world is that supposed to mean? A good "working definition" of the word "Meditation" (Bhavana) is "watching how mind's attention moves (anicca) moment-to-moment in order to see clearly the Four Noble Truths and the true impersonal nature of HOW the pattern of Dependent Origination occurs."

Another word that is often used is the word "Mindfulness" (Sati) this word is often defined by using the words "Just Be Mindful ". I just read an article that defined Mindfulness as "to remember, to remember, to remember"! (which seems to be another case of "Diluted Dhamma" which sounds great but has no real explanation). If that isn't confusing, I don't know what is! A better working definition is - "Mindfulness is remembering to recognize and release any distraction that pulls one's attention away from their meditation object". Notice how closely "Meditation" (Bhavana) and "Mindfulness" (Sati) are interlinked? The function of "Mindfulness" (Sati) is to remember. The question is to remember what? To remember to see everything that arises (Anicca) as being a part of an impersonal process (Anatta), to remember to observe how the 4 Noble Truths and Dependent Origination interact with each other. This infers, that we have to learn "HOW" to be observant with everything that arises all of the time. Not just while we are sitting in "Meditation" (Bhavana), but all of the time!

Another interesting word for consideration is the word "Craving" (Tanha). The common definition means "to want or desire", but there is much more to this word. According to the Buddha there is a definite pattern with everything that arises. For instance, in order "to see" there is a set way things happen. First, there must be a functioning sense door such as the eye. Next there must be color and form. When the eye hits color and form then eye-consciousness arises. The meeting of these three things is called eye-contact. With eye-contact as condition eye-feeling arises (Feeling [Vedana] is pleasant, painful or neither painful nor pleasant and this is either physical or mental feeling.) With eye-feeling as condition, then eye-craving arises.

Now "Craving" (Tanha) in all of its many different forms (seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, bodily sensations, and thoughts) always arises as being a tightness or tension in both mind and body. "Craving" (Tanha) always manifests as the "I like it or I don't like it" mind and can be recognized as tension or tightness in both one's mind and body. This is where we come to understand the importance of the Buddha's instructions about consciously tranquilizing one's mind and body. When the meditator has any kind of distraction arising, that pulls their attention away from their object of meditation, then a feeling immediately arises, and next, right after that the "I like it, I don't like it" [craving-Tanha] mind arises. This is seen sometimes as a big gross tightness and sometimes as a very subtle tightness or tension in mind and body.

As "Craving" (Tanha) is the cause of suffering (the Second Noble Truth) what the meditator must do is softly let go of that tension or tightness (i.e. relax, and this must consciously be done it doesn't happen automatically as it is shown in the meditation instruction given to us by the Buddha) then gently redirect mind's attention back to the object of meditation (this step is the Third Noble Truth or the cessation of craving or suffering, this is also called "pure mind' because there is no craving in it at all). In practical terms this relaxing is the most important and major step that the Buddha discovered, this and the Fourth Noble Truth- that is "the way" leading to the Cessation of Suffering.

The Buddha saw that when "Craving" (Tanha) was let go of, mind became clear, open, and very observant. He saw that the thinking mind did not arise. The thinking mind in Buddhism is called "Clinging" (Upadana). So, when a teacher says something like "Cling To Nothing" they are actually saying to "stop thinking about things and just observe". which is good advice as far as it goes. Actually it would be better to say "Crave Nothing" but that would be misunderstood because how are we supposed to do that? "Crave Nothing" means "to notice and let go of the tightness or tension in one's mind and body before it arises". How does one do this? When one sees a "Feeling" arise, if they relax at that very moment, then the "Craving" (Tanha) won't arise. "Craving" (Tanha) is the weak link in the cycle or process of Dependent Origination. It CAN be recognized and let go of, and when it is released then the "Clinging" (Upadana) won't arise.

One thing that has become popular today is the putting together of these two words, "Craving/Clinging" and I think it helps to cause even more confusion. "Craving" is the "I like it, I don't like it" mind and "Clinging" is all of the thoughts, ideas, opinions, and concepts why mind likes or dislikes a feeling when it arises. They are two very different and separate parts to the process of how things work. So putting them together just makes one's understanding of this process, even more cloudy. Some teachers today are trying to say the "Craving and Clinging" can be best defined as "Grasping". And as I just explained that moves away from the more precise definitions that the Buddha shows us within his teaching.

Also, there is the word "delusion" (Moha). In some Buddhist traditions the word "delusion" (Moha) is linked up with two other words which are "Lust" (lobha) and "Hatred" (dosa). Together these three words are sometimes called "the three poisons". This actually is a reasonable way to look at them. But there is some confusion about what "delusion" (Moha) actually means. Let's see what the Buddha was talking about, every time he used this word.

According to the suttas the word "Delusion" (Moha) means to see whatever arises as being a personal self (Atta). Or we can say that "Delusion" (Moha) is seeing things through the false (Deluded) idea of a self (Atta). In other words, one takes all feelings or sensations to be a part of the "I", "Me", "Mine" (Atta) identification.

Anytime one takes a feeling as being theirs personally, they have the tendency to try and control it with their own personal (Atta) thoughts, emotions, opinions, concepts, or ideas (Upadana or Clinging). And this is a big cause of suffering (Dukkha)! Let us quickly go back to the Five Aggregates (Pan~ca Khandha). Again they are body (Contact), feeling, perception, formations (which includes thoughts) and consciousness.

When a feeling (Vedana) arises (as described earlier) whether it is a pleasant feeling or a painful feeling the natural tendency for one's mind is to try to "think" the "feeling" and control it. In this way, one begins to see those feelings and thoughts as being theirs personally (Atta). This is a mind full of delusion (Moha). Anytime one takes anything that arises as being personally theirs, (Atta) instead of seeing that this is an impersonal process (Anatta) to be let go of, there is delusion (Moha). Delusion of what? Delusion that all thoughts and feelings are ours to take personally (Atta) and then attempt to control them by sheer will-power. Which the Buddha said is the cause of immense suffering (Dukkha).

So what is a meditator to do about this? The first thing that one can do is see all of these thoughts, concepts and opinions as they truly are. That is just thoughts, concepts and opinions that arose because conditions were right for them to arise. Then to let them go and relax the tightness or tension caused by that distraction. Next the meditator will notice that there is a tight mental fist wrapped around the feeling. This tight mental fist is aversion and craving. The truth is when a feeling arises it is there (that is the Dhamma of the present moment). Anytime one tries to fight with the truth (Dhamma), anytime one tries to control the truth (Dhamma), anytime one tries to make the truth (Dhamma) be what they want it to be, that person is causing themselves huge amounts of pain and suffering! The more they try to control the truth (Dhamma) with their thoughts the bigger and more intense the suffering becomes.

It is like someone picks up a red hot piece of charcoal, they say "OW! That's hot!", so then they start to squeeze that coal and they "Say, boy! This is really painful!" and the more pain they feel and try to think it away, the worse the pain becomes. What would you do in this kind of a situation? Of course, you would open up your hand and let the red hot piece of charcoal go! Whenever a meditator has a feeling arise, it is very like picking up that hot coal and they have the choice of what to do with it. They can either let it go or not! When a meditator sees a tight mental fist wrapped around a feeling they can let it go and allow that feeling to be there by itself, then they can see clearly that there is a need to relax the tightness caused by that feeling and then redirect their mind back to the meditation object (the breath and relaxing on the in breath and the out breath).

When a meditator handles a painful feeling in this way, they will begin to see that this is just a part of an impersonal process (Anatta) to be observed and let go of, instead of an enemy to fight with or try to control. Seeing this process as being impersonal (Anatta) with an undeluded mind (Amoha) is what the Buddha teaches us. If the meditator sees and takes the feeling personally (Atta) they are said to be caught in the "Mire of Delusion".

Another word that we are all supposed to automatically know what the meaning is, this word is "Wisdom". This word is often defined by using the words "To Be Wise or smart". In the Buddhist teaching, "Wisdom", means that one sees and understands (in the texts this is described as knowledge and vision [sampajjana]) exactly how the Four Noble Truths and the process of Dependent Origination are yoked together, also how they arise and pass away (Anicca). Anytime the words "Wise Attention" or "Wisdom" is seen in the suttas they are referring to the understanding of the Four Noble Truths and the process of Dependent Origination.

For example, in "The Anupada Sutta", that I referred to earlier, the words used to describe Venerable Sariputta's experience of attaining Nibbana are: "And his taints were destroyed by his seeing with wisdom". The question that needs to be asked is "seeing what" and "how did he see it"? The answer is he saw, understood and realized exactly how the Four Noble Truths occur by seeing the impersonal (Anatta) process of Dependent Origination (Paticca Samupada).

Only by seeing, understanding and realizing this did he finally let go of all of the taints. So every time the words "Wise Attention", or "Wisdom" show up in the suttas this is what these words refer to. The phrase "the taints are destroyed by seeing with wisdom" implies, that the way to experience Nibbana is through our own understanding of how the Four Noble Truths and the process of Dependent Origination occurs, in all situations. This is a very important thing to realize!

Too many people think that attaining Nibbana is some mystical-magical experience that occurs where all of a sudden "Bingo, I am enlightened!" , but unfortunately it doesn't work this way. Actually, the experience of Nibbana only comes through the deep understanding and direct experience of the process mentioned above. This is why when I talked about what "Jhana States" are and the differences, I gave an example of one kind of jhana where mind was fixed on only one thing versus the Samatha/Vipassana Jhana that is used for exploring how the process of mind's attention actually works.

The definition of each "Samatha/Vipassana Jhana meditation stage" is where one sees and understands the impersonal process (anatta) of the way things really are. This is what was taught and practiced by the Buddha. Each "Samatha/Vipassana Jhana stage" is a deeper level of the understanding of just how mind's attention arises and shifts, that is how the Four Noble Truths and the "seeing of this impersonal process (Anatta) of Dependent Origination" (Paticca Samupada) is in everything that occurs.

Another word is "Insight" (Vipassana). This word has a surface meaning which is "seeing things as they truly are". But according to the Buddha's definition it goes much deeper than that. "Insight" or understanding into what? Realizing the impersonal nature and deep understanding of the Four Noble Truths and "HOW" Dependent Origination actually occurs with everything that arises (Anicca) in one's mind and body.

In other words, one gains a deeper and deeper understanding (in each stage of Jhana) of the impersonal process of "HOW" mind and body arises through truly seeing and understanding (knowledge and vision) of the Four Noble Truths interconnection with the ongoing processes of Dependent Origination.

When one can see clearly these processes in all of existence, they will experience an unshakable knowledge that this is the right path to follow. Mind begins to see clearly that whatever arises (Anicca) is a part of a definite process and this leads to a deep understanding that everything going on is a part of an impersonal pattern (anatta). These "Insights" can occur at anytime whether one is sitting in meditation or doing their daily activities. They are quite profound when they occur. "Insights" are like finding a lost part to a puzzle and this is where the true "aha!" experiences occur.

Here again is another word to look at. In Pali the word is "Samatha". The meaning of "Samatha" is tranquility, serenity, calmness, peacefulness, or stillness. And the common popular definition is a strongly one-pointed type of concentration, absorption concentration, or ecstatic concentration. This specific definition of serenity or tranquility certainly implies a different type of "collectedness" than the deeper types of absorption or ecstatic "concentration".

The goal of absorption or ecstatic concentration is to have mind stay on only one thing as if it were glued to it (to the exclusion of anything else), the "Samatha Collectedness" implies to have a mind that is still, serene, and calm, but alert to whatever shifting or moving mind does moment-to-moment. Of course Samatha/Vipassana (which is the standard way it is described in the suttas) leads to the total liberation of mind by seeing and recognizing how the 4 Noble Truths interact with Dependent Origination. Samatha/Vipassana leads directly to the end-result of Nibbana and absorption or ecstatic concentration does not, as the Bodhisatta found out first hand.

Interviewer: Why do you choose to change the commonly used word "Concentration", to "Collectedness"?

Bhante V: I much prefer the word "Collectedness" to the word "Concentration". Here in the West people take the word "Concentration" to mean a kind of deep one-pointedness of mind or an absorbed mind and this is not what the Buddha was trying to get across. Before the time of the Buddha there were many words that described deep absorption or one-pointedness of mind.

But the Buddha made up a new word "Samadhi" to describe a completely different way of seeing and experiencing the Jhana. After the Buddha's paranibbana, because this word was very popular, the Brahmins of that time changed the definition of "Samadhi" back to mean - "strong one-pointedness". But, the Buddha was showing that there is a difference between a "Collected Mind" and a strongly absorbed or "Concentrated Mind"".

The words "Collected Mind"" (Samadhi) gives us the idea of a mind that is composed, calm, still, and very alert. This kind of mind observes whenever mind's attention shifts from one thing to another. A "Concentrated' mind", means that mind is stuck on one thing to the exclusion of anything else that may try to arise.

A "Concentrated' Mind" by this definition loses full awareness (Sampajjana) and mindfulness (Sati) of what is happening in the present moment, because it is only seeing the one thing it is pointing at. This statement also refers to "access or neighborhood concentration" (Upacara Samadhi) and "moment-to-moment concentration" (Khanika Samadhi). Why? The simple answer is, there is no tranquilizing of mind and body before the meditator brings their attention back to the object of meditation. Because of this, there is no seeing of how the Four Noble Truths and Dependent Origination actually work and how craving (tightness) is brought back to the meditation object.

This is why when the teachers of straight "Vipassana" tell their students that "Absorption Concentration" won't ever lead to Nibbana, they are 100% correct. Any kind of practice which divides "Samatha Meditation" and "Vipassana Meditation" into two different practices, can't possibly lead one to Nibbana. Why? Because mind has the need to be calm, composed, and clear, while it is in a jhana, in order to see the interconnectedness of the 4 Noble Truths and Dependent Origination, fully. This is why the practice of straight vipassana has led to so much disappointment after so many years of hard work for some students. The Buddha taught us to practice "Samatha/ Vipassana" together and this is the difference between commentary based meditation practices and the Sutta approach to meditation.

The results of these two practices are different. One-pointed "Concentration'" is not the same kind of mental development that the Buddha shows us. The Buddha taught us to tranquilize our mind and body every time mind's attention shifts from one thing to another. The "Collected Mind'" is not so deeply one-pointed that the force of one's "Concentration" causes mind to stay on one object of meditation, even if that attention "Concentrates" on something momentarily.

The "Collected Mind" is able to observe how mind's attention goes from one thing to another, very precisely. There is much more full awareness of both mind and body here than with a deeply "Concentrated" one- pointed mind or absorbed mind". This is why I choose to use the word "Collected" rather than "Concentrated"" mind. By using the word "Collected" there is less confusion about the kind of meditation that the Buddha is referring to and it is easier to understand the descriptions given in the suttas.

Interviewer: Would you please talk about the importance of keeping one's precepts, how hindrances arise and their connection to the practice?

Bhante V: Boy this is a big topic, but I'll try to explain this for you as simply as I can. In the West the word morality is not very much liked, mostly because of the way in which other religions present these rules. But in Buddhism the precepts are "suggestions" to follow because by keeping them one's mind will become peaceful and calm. The precepts are:

1] Abstaining from killing or harming living beings on purpose.

2] Abstaining from taking what is not given.

3] Abstaining from wrong sexual activity.

4] Abstaining from telling lies, harsh speech, slanderous speech, and gossip.

5] Abstaining from taking drugs and alcohol.

On the surface this may look like a bunch of rules that may get in the way of "what I want to do". Actually they are not rules of conduct so much as they are guidelines that lead to a happy life. They are not commandments that will cause one to be thrown into hell for ever and ever. Keep them or not it is up to you!

However, if you break a precept notice how you feel. Does abstaining from killing, or stealing, etc. cause your mind to be more happy or not? In one sutta it says that if we do things that cause harm to ourselves or others, we should then watch and see how you feel about those actions in your own mind. If your mind is not happy, and becomes full of anxiety and guilt then don't do that any more. And if you keep the precepts and do things that make you and others happy then be aware of that and do those things over and over again. See for yourself how keeping or breaking the precepts makes you personally feel. No one throws lightning bolts out of the sky to fry someone who breaks the precepts.

You just need to take a good look at how your mind feels when one of these precepts are broken. There are some actions like breaking the precept of killing or harming living beings that will have some consequences that may not be to your liking. For instance, a person who kills other beings will have the tendency to have guilt, fear and anxiety arise in their mind. Of course, this can be ignored for a period of time, but eventually these mental upsets can cause depression, worry, anxiety, sleep disorders, physical dis-eases, and stress to arise and become so strong that many people think they have to take drugs or alcohol to find some relief.

The drug companies love this kind of problem. It's making them richer than they already are. Breaking any of these precepts leads to an unhappy life. One thing that is so attractive to me about Buddhism is that we are totally responsible for our own life. This self-responsibility means we can't blame anyone else for our own suffering. So, it becomes a conscious decision whether to follow one's precepts or not.

Interviewer: So do the precepts and hindrances directly effect your meditation?

Bhante V: Well, let's take a look at one of the previous questions that was asked about why some people don't have any progress in their meditation even after years of practice. The cause of every hindrance arising is the breaking of one or more of these precepts. I have known many people who have taken a lot of 3 month retreats and had virtually no progress in their meditation.

They don't understand or are not taught, that even after they get off of retreat there is a need to keep their precepts closely. So they go back to doing the same things they always have, telling lies, gossiping, taking things that are not given, drinking alcohol, taking some recreational drugs, or having wrong sexual activities, etc. Then they come to another retreat and they are attacked with huge amounts of remorse and the hindrances, which they indulge in and try to force them to go away. That kind of person will never have any real progress in their meditation because they keep causing themselves problems by not keeping the precepts closely.

While I was in Malaysia teaching meditation, there was one lady who was an extremely good person, who never broke any precepts. She came to me and wanted to learn about meditation. She had never tried any meditation before coming to ask about doing a weekend retreat. I gave her instructions in how to practice metta (Loving-Kindness) meditation and had her sit for no less than 30 minutes and asked her to sit longer if she wanted to.

In the afternoon I asked her how her meditation was going. She said that she was "Only" able to sit for 45 minutes. I asked why she couldn't sit for longer and she said that her knees hurt so badly, because she was sitting on the floor that she couldn't last any longer than that. I told her that it was OK for her to sit in a chair but not to lean into the back of the chair. She did that and her next sitting lasted for 4 hours and she had attained the first jhana! This was the first time she had ever tried to meditate in her life!

Why was she able to progress so rapidly when the person who had done so many retreats had so little progress? The answer is simple. The lady in Malaysia kept her precepts very closely and wouldn't consciously break them, for any reason. The other person took a ho-hum, never-mind attitude toward the precepts. There is no need for psycho-therapy or psychology to help a meditator to understand why they suffer so much. The meditators have to be taught just how important keeping the precepts really are in their daily lives, then they will be able to see for themselves real progress in meditation practice and this causes happiness to arise. It is just that simple.

Interviewer: How often should a person take their precepts?

Bhante V: One thing that I do on every retreat that I give, is have the meditators take the precepts every day. They do this not as some kind of rite or ritual because I have them read the precepts in English. They take these as a reminder to keep them as closely as possible. And when I give a retreat I tell the meditators that if for some reason they do break a precept to come and tell me so they can take them again. I have found, over the years, that if a meditator breaks even the slightest precept it will affect their retreat negatively. By this I mean that they will have major troubles with the hindrances arising and staying around.

Interviewer: So are the hindrances to be considered valuable in the practice?

Bhante V: Yes. With that said, the hindrances are where our attachments are stored and they are where our false idea in a personal self arises. In short they are where mind becomes so involved with the thoughts and feelings that mind's attention is pulled away and really gets involved with the drama and story. The reason that these things are a problem is because when a hindrance arises it will take the meditator completely away from the meditation object and they will get caught in thinking, planning, liking, disliking, day dreaming etc. Actually speaking when a hindrance arises the meditator doesn't even know where they are. That is how troublesome the hindrances can be and remember, they arise from past breaking of the precepts.

Interviewer: When the hindrances do arise what should the meditator do to lessen their hold, so the meditator can progress in their meditation?

Bhante V: This is where one's mindfulness comes in. If you will remember, previously I said that "the function of mindfulness is to remember". To remember what? "To remember to recognize and release any distraction that pulls one's attention away from their meditation object". Next to relax the tightness or tension caused by that distraction then to smile and softly re-direct one's attention back to the meditation object. Of course, mind's attention will be pulled back to that distraction again and again and again many times, until the attachment to that hindrance weakens and eventually it will go away by itself. This is the "Purification of Mind" that the Buddha taught.

I have developed a technique to help the meditator remember how to practice. I call them the six R's, that is: to Recognize, that mind is distracted. To Release, or let go of that distraction. To Relax, the tightness or tension caused by that distraction. To Re-smile, so mind will be light and have joy in it (the way I teach even the Mindfulness of Breathing is to smile while meditating). To Return, one's attention back to the meditation object. To Repeat, and stay with the object of meditation.

So it is: Recognize; Release: Relax; Re-Smile; Return; Repeat. These 6 R's have been very helpful to many people.

Interviewer: Is the actual Practice to learn to see HOW this works and where to let go?

Bhante V: The job of the meditator is to see HOW mind's attention moves away from the meditation object (let us say the breath and relaxing on the in-breath and relaxing on the out-breath). Exactly how did their mind get from the breath and relaxing to that distraction. According to the Buddha this happens in exactly the same way every time. So HOW exactly did that occur? As the meditator begins to investigate HOW mind works eventually they will begin to see this pattern of movements clearly (by using the 6 R's). That is what meditation is all about.

As the meditator begins to see the pattern repeat itself over and over again they will become more and more familiar with it and begin to let go of the hindrance more easily and quickly. When this happens the amount of time they spend on their meditation object increases. This process will occur until the hindrance becomes so weak that it will eventually not arise any more. Any hindrance feeds on mind's attention. Without attention placed on it, it cannot survive. So, by letting the hindrance be, then relax and re-direct mind's attention back to the object of meditation the hindrance fades away by itself. What happens next is that the meditator feels a huge sense of relief and then joy arises quite strongly.

Interviewer: Is there a danger of attachment of this joy here?

Bhante V: The way one doesn't become attached to joy (piti) is by seeing it as only a pleasant feeling, let it be, relax, and redirect mind's attention back to their meditation object (the breath and relaxing). Pleasant feeling and painful feeling are two sides of the same coin, so the meditator treats them all in the same way. Eventually, the joy (piti) will fade away and a true feeling of both mental and physical comfort will arise. In Buddhist terms this is called "happiness" (sukha), this will last for a period of time and then mind becomes very peaceful, relaxed and stays on the meditation object with little or no effort at all (This is called the unification of mind - ekaggataa). I have just described some of the things that the meditator experiences in the first jhana.

Interviewer: Is what you are teaching a new method of teaching meditation?

Bhante V: Funny you should ask that. Since I came back to the West (after spending 12 years in the East) many people are trying to make this the "Bhante Vimalaramsi Method of Meditation". I find this very peculiar because I read the instructions from the suttas, I read out loud exactly what the sutta tells us word for word, and I personally follow the teachings of the Buddha as closely as possible. Very little of what I teach is coming directly from me, and what does come from me is in agreement with the suttas. The way I look at teaching is, if it doesn't agree with what many suttas teach then I will not bother to teach it. So the answer to your question is no absolutely not! This is not a new way of teaching the Buddha's Path.

This method of practice comes directly from the Buddha's teachings which have been around for more than 2500 years. All I am attempting to do is make these teachings more readily available so many more people can benefit from these brilliant teachings. Also, I hope to see a true Buddhist awakening occur in the West. I have seen the beginning of a new blossoming of the Dhamma, where the original Teachings will thrive. May it continue to grow and show the way for many people to experience liberation and peace. Thank you!

Bhante Vimalaramsi

Dhamma Sukha Meditation Center

RR1 Box 100

Annapolis, MO. 63620, U.S.A.

www.dhammasukha.org

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